A few weeks ago, a friend of mine posed the following question to her facebook friends: "Do you think the word 'feminist' is negative, positive, or neither?" And while I have very strong feelings on the subject, I decided to pose the same question to my friends & family, without throwing my opinion out there, and see what they had to say.
Although there were a few positive responses, overall I have to admit that I was blown away and saddened by the responses I got.
"Depends on how it's used."
"Depends on the context"
"I always felt it had negative connotation , such that anyone who was a feminist tried to put women above men or pit them against men. When I looked the word up in the dictionary, I was surprised to find out that it is actually any person who advocates EQUAL rights for women and men. In theory, it should be positive then. I've never had the impression that it was a good thing to be a feminist."
"Everyone deserves to be treated equal. The problem I have with the feminist movement is it as robbed women of the very characteristics which separate us from men. Denying what makes us women is not true progress in my opinion, and I am shocked at the lack of respect women receive in society today."
"I have a problem with the concept we can have it all....in reality it doesn't work and the causality is usually the children. I have a lifetime of experience in this area as a feminist, mother, and a teacher. I personally think it is selfish, and as I said before we are denying our own nature. Like it or not there are two sexes and we operate differently. That is not to say that a couple can't have daddy as the main caregiver. And, I can tell you that when I took off to be a stay at home mom for several years I was definitely made to feel something was wrong with me-and that was at a time when I believed you could do it all. We can rationalize it all we want, but the results are all around. us."
"When I hear feminist I think of a b..."
"The words bra-less & hairy armpits come to mind."
"I think most people think of it in negative (and extreme) terms"
"I think most people consider it negative, because of the few women who take feminism too far. I mean every aspect of life has its place and value. Having said that, there can always be "too much of a good thing". So when people take it negatively its because some women go a little crazy with it. Men and women were made differently for a reason, and we should not try to be each other. Created equal yes, be the same, no."
"I know plenty of people (in my own family) to whom the word feminist is like a dirty curse word"
Depressing, right? And these answers came from a wide variety of smart, loving, hilarious women! However, there was one blindly glorious response that helped reignite my faith:
"The word per its definition, and as I consider myself? Positive. The common social perception of "overbearing" feminists? Negative. And it pisses me off. There are radical Republicans and radical Democrats and radical EVERYTHING and yet only with feminism does the radical apparently encapsulate the entire philosophy in the eyes of the general public. (Here's a hint: it doesn't for real.)"
"A feminist recognizes that not only do women need to be liberated from old, antiquated roles (i.e. women being biologically fit to be housewives as the old tale goes) but that men also need to be liberated from, for example, the limiting expectation of the "ideal" woman who can cook AND look fly all the time because it prevents him from finding love (and himself!) in the most unexpected places. Same for the woman who expects the ideal man from the magazines or movies, like a zero-sum game. He doesn't exist. A true feminist is aware of this double standard and works to voice to the world that doing this to men is unhealthy for *both* genders.
How does a feminist work to improve the situation? By treating both men and women as human beings with their own unique set of needs and experiences, rather than a stereotype of what a "real woman" or "a real man" looks and behaves like. A feminist can be a woman or a man, actually, because all the person has to do is support and participate in understanding gender roles and how they help and hinder our relationships towards one another. This is the most basic explanation I can provide, I hope it helps in some way. It's all about cooperation by both parts, NOT manhating, as the popular belief goes"
My considerably less articulate thoughts on what it means to be a feminist?
A feminist is someone who thinks men & women deserve equal rights - NOT misandry (the hatred of men & boys). Under that definition, why would you NOT be a feminist? I know it has a somewhat negative image in our society & that just makes me so sad, and frankly, really pissed off. I believe that I am inherently equal to those around me, men or women, not any better or worse. Well, ok, there are some men & women that I'm far superior to, but there are also a ridiculous amount of folks of both sexes who are way cooler/smarter/funnier than I am. It's about the individual.
Feminism should not be considered a dirty word -- We should all be proud to be labeled as a feminist, but as a whole, we're not. Why is that?
For me, the real issues are opportunity and choice. You can be a feminist and choose to be a stay at home mom, work part-time, or be some fancy big wig professional -- it's your choice. I happen to be a feminist who never wanted to be a trophy wife or a SAHM, I've always wanted to financially support myself & my family. I get gratification from the respect I get in the workplace and I need to have a life outside of my home and outside of my family to feel truly fulfilled. So right now I work part-time, four days a week and spend the rest of my time with the little mister. I'm a better mother, wife, and friend when I work outside of the home.
That doesnt mean I hate men or think I'm better. Like I said, it really is all about access to equal opportunities and choices. We should all have the right to decide what is best for us and our family, based on individual needs and not on outdated standards.


I've struggled with my thoughts on being feminist for a while. Growing up I definitely considered myself a feminist, but a few years ago when Feministing all those blogs got big I started really questioning my identification as a feminist because I sure as heck did NOT agree with what those blogs were casting as feminism. So I had to wonder if, despite being pro-choice, pro-equal pay, pro-affordable child care, and all that stuff, I somehow I didn't qualify as a feminist.
ReplyDeleteSo yes, I do consider myself one in the broadest terms, but I also feel like I need to add an asterisk to that statement and say that I think what modern third wave feminism has become is kind of embarrassing and I don't support it. Which sounds awful and makes me sad! I don't know... I just know I can't read feministing or jezebel without feeling like I'm getting a rage induced stroke.
There are radicals within every group, for better or for worse, that's for sure. I wish more women could look past some of the more out there folks and claim the feminist label for themselves.
DeleteThis. Is. Brilliant.
ReplyDeleteOh boy, I'd hate to hear what some of my Facebook friends had to say about the word 'feminist.' To me it's a positive thing too, and it ticks me off as well that the vision that comes to mind is some man-hating, bitter woman when some people hear the word 'feminist.' Your friend made an excellent point that there are radicals in every group--but it's a mistake to define the entire group based on those outliers.
ReplyDeleteCulture seems to pit women against women in what has been called the "Mommy Wars" but always seems to use the extremes from both sides. For example, there was an episode on the Tyra Show that had a panel of SAHMs and a panel of professional women. But the professional women all seemed bitter and like they had a chip on their shoulders, while the SAHMs were so traditionally feminine; one even said that she was sure to wake up before her husband did so she could put on all her makeup and do her hair so she could look nice for him. So both sides get misrepresented: people think that for a woman to have a career, she has to be harsh and cold and to be a SAHM the standard is to wake up before your husband and put on makeup for his benefit. Those things don't have to go together! Professional women can be warm and caring and SAHMs can roll out of bed with their hair messy while their husbands cook breakfast.
Outdated standards of gender roles do us no favors -- We're all so much more than what can be put into a nice little package labeled "Trophy Wife & Mother" or "Executive Ball-Busting Business Woman". And the really maddening thing is that it's primarily women who are so harsh on other women!
DeleteThe whole 'men and women are inherently different' argument REALLY fucking pisses me off. I've heard it SO much in the past year and it's just downright wrong. What about all the people in between? This gender binary ignorance totally excludes anyone in the LGBTQA category and beyond--tell any one of them that 'men and women are just inherently different' and I hope you get an earful. This argument is the reason that women can't have kids and careers at the same time and that childcare at the workplace and maternity leave are downright revolutionary (in a bad way) to talk about sometimes. And then I get these people telling me that women were always the caretakers and the gatherers while the men were always the providers and the hunters etc. I'm sorry but does it look like we live in a fucking hunter-gatherer society anymore? I THINK we may have moved beyond that. If I have a job and want a kid at the same time you'll be damn well sure that my husband/partner is going to take equal responsibility in caring for that kid AND themselves. I'm so sick of being told how to 'be a good wife' and cook and clean and all that bullshit. Relationships are about equality--and even though in some cases that may put a woman in a traditional role (good for them!) we need to look beyond 'tradition' and accept all other types of relationships as well. Sick of stereotypes man! [/rant] That probably wasn't as articulate as I meant it to be, but sometimes you've just got to let the rage flow.
ReplyDeleteWORD. I have no problem calling myself a feminist and anyone who thinks that means I hate men is dead wrong (and my feminist husband will back that up).
ReplyDelete*high-five* For feminist men folk!
DeleteI could have written Sarah B.'s response word-for-word. Legit. Totes agree, even about the feminist hubs.
ReplyDeleteThis this this! Seriously I'm sick of people thinking being a feminist means I'm crazy extreme, go bra-less and have hairy arm pits. I wear make up, fancy bras and shave my legs and arm pits. People think you can't be girlie if you're feminist, which is far from the truth.
ReplyDeleteI'm even a feminist that wants to be a SAHM if we decide to have kids. Not because that's what society expects from me. My mother was a SAHM and is a big feminist as well. She decided to stay home until I hit 6th grade then went back to work because she wanted too. Being a feminist doesn't mean you have to be one or another. It's just believing that people should be treated equally no less no more.
I think this is a perfect example of how society loves to file everyone into clean categories and stereotypes. I am proud to say I am a feminist and liberal but that doesn't mean I don't wear make-up or like to bake Victoria sponge. Just because I'm a feminist, doesn't mean I'm the textbook definition of one.
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PS. Jennifer, your blog is perfection.
Its funny (not funny ha ha, funny strange) how old ideas of feminism are still perpetuated today. Its a pretty good indicator of the hold that culture and media have over us. I think that it is also a good indicator of how often we refuse to think critically about messages we are fed. I guess that can mean almost any message right?
ReplyDeleteI remember the first time I met one of my sisters in law, and she looked me in the eye and said, I hate feminsts. At the time I was finishing my graduate work
in women's studies, and I was teaching introduction to women's studies and social aspects of reproduction at a university. I was so used to hearing that though, so it didn't even phase me. I defended feminism (like I always do) and continued on the conversation. But that is crazy! I have become used to defending my thought that women and men should be equal. That women should be safe.
However, what I like best about feminism as a movement, is that it is not reactionary. We take initiative and start conversations about right and all sorts of issues. We work with other groups, and feminism as a theory and practice evolves. I think this is what many people misunderstand. Feminism and feminists change. So those old notions of what a feminist is are completely outdated. /rant
What I meant to say is great post. I am often frustrated by women who have feminist ideals, but are afraid to call themselves feminists. There is nothing wrong with wanting equity.
Stephanie
www.bassability.blogspot.com
Gah!! I got your comment but you're a no reply !! Fix it woman!!!
ReplyDeleteOk, I think I fixed it finally. I hope.
DeleteInspiring. I have so much to say, but you may inspired me to just write about this on my blog, with a shout out of course.
ReplyDeleteAwesome -- it's so important to get people talking and thinking about feminism.
DeleteHi! just found your blog and absolutely LOVE your feminists posts! they are so inspiring. I can relate to you in so many ways. I'm glad I found you!
ReplyDeleteNewest follower! :)